Comments on: Next Firefox version bumped to 3.5, another beta to come http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/ Your source for Mozilla news, tips, reviews, and more. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:11:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: iGuide http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-71310 iGuide Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:23:19 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-71310 Firefox is still "the best" overall, but right now speed is "the worst." Firefox 3.0 typically takes 10 seconds to load in OSX, and JavaScript, while fast, is slower than Safari 4, Chrome, and Explorer 8 by far. Moreover, the interface speed is molasses. Yet given the superiority of Firefox in other aspects, such as features and security, using Firefox is still almost a no-brainier. Firefox is still “the best” overall, but right now speed is “the worst.” Firefox 3.0 typically takes 10 seconds to load in OSX, and JavaScript, while fast, is slower than Safari 4, Chrome, and Explorer 8 by far. Moreover, the interface speed is molasses. Yet given the superiority of Firefox in other aspects, such as features and security, using Firefox is still almost a no-brainier.

]]> By: Josh http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-70053 Josh Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:25:29 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-70053 Quite franckly, I'm extremely disappointed by Firefox for a while now. It used to be the fastest browser around, and has turned into a bloatware with functionality I don't care about. I have to restart Firefox on a regular basis, because it's very often stuck while loading a page. Talk about progress... I was an early adopter (around 0.9 if I remember correctly), but I switched to Chrome, which is what Firefox ought to be. Quite franckly, I’m extremely disappointed by Firefox for a while now. It used to be the fastest browser around, and has turned into a bloatware with functionality I don’t care about.

I have to restart Firefox on a regular basis, because it’s very often stuck while loading a page. Talk about progress…

I was an early adopter (around 0.9 if I remember correctly), but I switched to Chrome, which is what Firefox ought to be.

]]> By: Jake http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69909 Jake Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:23:18 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69909 Are they going to be like IE8 that took more then a year to come out only to fail the thing crashes and won't go to any website at all IE 8 sucks , lets hope FF 3.5 or what ever is going to be does not suck Are they going to be like IE8 that took more then a year to come out only to fail the thing crashes and won’t go to any website at all IE 8 sucks , lets hope FF 3.5 or what ever is going to be does not suck

]]> By: andy http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69473 andy Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:12:00 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69473 3.5 should be give significant improvement and more impression to us. Beta 4 will be release on middle of april. I wish Mozilla would able to achieve the schedule target. 3.5 should be give significant improvement and more impression to us. Beta 4 will be release on middle of april. I wish Mozilla would able to achieve the schedule target.

]]> By: Tony http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69445 Tony Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:18:29 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69445 I've also been a bit disappointed by the lack of foresight by Firefox developers in choosing a deadline and then sticking to it. It reminds me of a certain company (Microsoft). Regardless, I commend the developers for their continuing work on a browser I use everyday. I’ve also been a bit disappointed by the lack of foresight by Firefox developers in choosing a deadline and then sticking to it. It reminds me of a certain company (Microsoft). Regardless, I commend the developers for their continuing work on a browser I use everyday.

]]> By: falde http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69435 falde Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:40:21 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69435 "As said above, I’m not surprised at all. The killer feature of 3.1 has been TraceMonkey all the time." No it hasnt. The Video tag is the buzz that everyone has been talking about. It has been ready for deployment for quite a while. Noone knows why it havnt been deployed. “As said above, I’m not surprised at all. The killer feature of 3.1 has been TraceMonkey all the time.”
No it hasnt. The Video tag is the buzz that everyone has been talking about. It has been ready for deployment for quite a while. Noone knows why it havnt been deployed.

]]> By: falde http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69434 falde Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:26:40 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69434 Does this mean that someone has to create a fork in order to get a 3.1 release. "And…there’s nothing wrong with that. I want quality, well-tested software. Firefox now has a hard-earned reputation as a solid web platform, and mustn’t endanger that with a crappy release. Even the relatively modest (1.5, 2.0) releases weren’t BAD by any stretch." Yes, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with it. While the rest of the OSS community is lining up with a 6 month release interval Mozilla seam to ignore the rest of the world compleatly. The fact that there was no release between 2.0 and 3.0 was idiotic. Functionality that is not ready should be pushed to the next version and what is ready should be released as planned. This is what Ubuntu, Fedora and many other OSS project does. I guess we have to look around for another browser that doesnt use Microsoft planning. "Though Mozilla thought they were able to release a small increment release in shorter time they failed (once again) and the release took (will have taken) 1 year to complete. Thus, it would be marketing failure to label the 3.1 release as 3.1. I agree." No. It didnt fail. They have obviously abandoned the incremental aproach and are gonna continue with large blobs and make users wait for functionality that have been ready for release until other browsers already have something better. Perhaps the 4.X idea is the best. Then they could follow the netscape tradition of not releasing a new browser until they have lost all market shares. Thats the way this seam to be going... Does this mean that someone has to create a fork in order to get a 3.1 release.

“And…there’s nothing wrong with that. I want quality, well-tested software. Firefox now has a hard-earned reputation as a solid web platform, and mustn’t endanger that with a crappy release. Even the relatively modest (1.5, 2.0) releases weren’t BAD by any stretch.”
Yes, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with it. While the rest of the OSS community is lining up with a 6 month release interval Mozilla seam to ignore the rest of the world compleatly. The fact that there was no release between 2.0 and 3.0 was idiotic.

Functionality that is not ready should be pushed to the next version and what is ready should be released as planned. This is what Ubuntu, Fedora and many other OSS project does.

I guess we have to look around for another browser that doesnt use Microsoft planning.

“Though Mozilla thought they were able to release a small increment release in shorter time they failed (once again) and the release took (will have taken) 1 year to complete. Thus, it would be marketing failure to label the 3.1 release as 3.1. I agree.”
No. It didnt fail. They have obviously abandoned the incremental aproach and are gonna continue with large blobs and make users wait for functionality that have been ready for release until other browsers already have something better.

Perhaps the 4.X idea is the best. Then they could follow the netscape tradition of not releasing a new browser until they have lost all market shares. Thats the way this seam to be going…

]]> By: J. McNair http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69422 J. McNair Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:12:40 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69422 And...there's nothing wrong with that. I want quality, well-tested software. Firefox now has a hard-earned reputation as a solid web platform, and mustn't endanger that with a crappy release. Even the relatively modest (1.5, 2.0) releases weren't BAD by any stretch. Also, delays HELP extension and theme authors because they need more time to understand new features and APIs. So, dear Moz.org and MozCorp: please continue to understand, cooperate with, and learn from the competition without blindly following them. Thank you. And…there’s nothing wrong with that. I want quality, well-tested software. Firefox now has a hard-earned reputation as a solid web platform, and mustn’t endanger that with a crappy release. Even the relatively modest (1.5, 2.0) releases weren’t BAD by any stretch.

Also, delays HELP extension and theme authors because they need more time to understand new features and APIs.

So, dear Moz.org and MozCorp: please continue to understand, cooperate with, and learn from the competition without blindly following them.

Thank you.

]]> By: Anonymous http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69416 Anonymous Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:44:11 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69416 @Nuss "And I look forward to Firefox 4.0 in the fall of 2010" More like late 2011. A 2012 delay wouldn't surprise me either. @Nuss
“And I look forward to Firefox 4.0 in the fall of 2010″
More like late 2011. A 2012 delay wouldn’t surprise me either.

]]> By: Nuss http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69402 Nuss Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:00:11 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69402 Being a user since 2002, I'm not surprised at all. If I remember correctly Firefox 1.1 was relabeled 1.5 and there was quite a fuss about it. Personally, I don't find the asynchronous Firefox/Gecko version labeling disturbing now, and I didn't find it disturbing then. However, I find it interesting that Mozilla hasn't been able to estimate their final releases correctly even once since the rebirth (which gave name to Phoenix and now is Firefox). Every major milestone release have been delayed since then - and even if the dot releases was meant to add the features that had to be ditched from the original major release plan due to lack of time (or whatever) the releases historically have been renamed (think "Places"). As said above, I'm not surprised at all. The killer feature of 3.1 has been TraceMonkey all the time. But the delay of finishing TraceMonkey has postponed the release and made way for other features. And also made them must-have features in a 2009 browser release (such as Private Browsing). This has resulted in several features not planned for 3.0 making 3.1 (which is good thing). Thus, releasing the next reincarnation of the bird (or rather fox) as 3.1 would seem as an idiotic thing from a marketing point of view. This year Firefox celebrates 5 years as a stable release. As a project Firefox celebrates 7 years. Just look at the version labeling and draw your own conclusions: ~1 year of development since the last consumer release equals a +0.5 increment release. ~1.5 years of development since the last consumer release equals a +1.0 increment release. Though Mozilla thought they were able to release a small increment release in shorter time they failed (once again) and the release took (will have taken) 1 year to complete. Thus, it would be marketing failure to label the 3.1 release as 3.1. I agree. Firefox 3.1 is dead. Long live 3.5. It will do much better in competition with Safari 4.0 and Internet Explorer 8.0. Decimals count! And I look forward to Firefox 4.0 in the fall of 2010. Being a user since 2002, I’m not surprised at all. If I remember correctly Firefox 1.1 was relabeled 1.5 and there was quite a fuss about it. Personally, I don’t find the asynchronous Firefox/Gecko version labeling disturbing now, and I didn’t find it disturbing then. However, I find it interesting that Mozilla hasn’t been able to estimate their final releases correctly even once since the rebirth (which gave name to Phoenix and now is Firefox).

Every major milestone release have been delayed since then – and even if the dot releases was meant to add the features that had to be ditched from the original major release plan due to lack of time (or whatever) the releases historically have been renamed (think “Places”).

As said above, I’m not surprised at all. The killer feature of 3.1 has been TraceMonkey all the time. But the delay of finishing TraceMonkey has postponed the release and made way for other features. And also made them must-have features in a 2009 browser release (such as Private Browsing). This has resulted in several features not planned for 3.0 making 3.1 (which is good thing). Thus, releasing the next reincarnation of the bird (or rather fox) as 3.1 would seem as an idiotic thing from a marketing point of view.

This year Firefox celebrates 5 years as a stable release. As a project Firefox celebrates 7 years. Just look at the version labeling and draw your own conclusions: ~1 year of development since the last consumer release equals a +0.5 increment release. ~1.5 years of development since the last consumer release equals a +1.0 increment release.

Though Mozilla thought they were able to release a small increment release in shorter time they failed (once again) and the release took (will have taken) 1 year to complete. Thus, it would be marketing failure to label the 3.1 release as 3.1. I agree.

Firefox 3.1 is dead. Long live 3.5. It will do much better in competition with Safari 4.0 and Internet Explorer 8.0. Decimals count! And I look forward to Firefox 4.0 in the fall of 2010.

]]> By: Eduardo Faria http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69401 Eduardo Faria Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:09:42 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69401 No one had expected this. The 3.1 would be pretty exciting, but if the 3.5 comes, it's much better. No one had expected this. The 3.1 would be pretty exciting, but if the 3.5 comes, it’s much better.

]]> By: J. McNair http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69399 J. McNair Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:36:29 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69399 Well, they keep shunting features into it and Tracemonkey is still maturing (rapidly). So it seems like what started as an incremental release blew up into a .5 release due to competitive pressures. And so, more (necessary) betas. Well, they keep shunting features into it and Tracemonkey is still maturing (rapidly). So it seems like what started as an incremental release blew up into a .5 release due to competitive pressures. And so, more (necessary) betas.

]]> By: Jonah http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69378 Jonah Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:53:58 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69378 I think 4 betas indicates that the release was too ambitious or the first beta was premature. Feels like the Netscape 4 days. I think 4 betas indicates that the release was too ambitious or the first beta was premature. Feels like the Netscape 4 days.

]]> By: meneame.net http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69362 meneame.net Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:54:28 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69362 <strong>Firefox 3.1 será Firefox 3.5 [ING]...</strong> Mozilla ya ha retrasado el lanzamiento de Firefox 3.1 en varias ocasiones con el fin de añadir y pulir todas las mejoras posibles en la próxima versión del navegador. Debido a estos retrasos, el equipo de desarrollo ha decidido que “3.1″ no describe su... Firefox 3.1 será Firefox 3.5 [ING]…

Mozilla ya ha retrasado el lanzamiento de Firefox 3.1 en varias ocasiones con el fin de añadir y pulir todas las mejoras posibles en la próxima versión del navegador. Debido a estos retrasos, el equipo de desarrollo ha decidido que “3.1″ no describe su…

]]> By: Firefox 3.1 blir Firefox 3.5 « Cosmiccloud´s blogg om IT, datorer m.m. http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69359 Firefox 3.1 blir Firefox 3.5 « Cosmiccloud´s blogg om IT, datorer m.m. Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:28:01 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69359 [...] Mozilla Links Postat i Webbläsare. Etiketter [...] [...] Mozilla Links Postat i Webbläsare. Etiketter [...]

]]> By: Percy Cabello http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69355 Percy Cabello Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:45:17 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69355 Mike, thanks for the clarification, I've updated the post to specify it's not a final decision. Mike, thanks for the clarification, I’ve updated the post to specify it’s not a final decision.

]]> By: David Naylor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69354 David Naylor Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:26:29 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69354 I have a feeling Ubiquity-in-the-awesomebar still has a long way to come. I would expect it to be in a 4.0 release at the very earliest. I have a feeling Ubiquity-in-the-awesomebar still has a long way to come. I would expect it to be in a 4.0 release at the very earliest.

]]> By: TurboFool http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69352 TurboFool Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:33:12 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69352 I wonder where these leaves Ubiquity, though, as they had originally said they were planning to build it into 3.2. Could we possibly see it earlier, in what is now 3.5, or are they going to push it off further? Will we really see a 3.6? Past experience hasn't really gone past a .5 release beyond bug fixes. I'd be surprised if they broke that now. I wonder where these leaves Ubiquity, though, as they had originally said they were planning to build it into 3.2. Could we possibly see it earlier, in what is now 3.5, or are they going to push it off further? Will we really see a 3.6? Past experience hasn’t really gone past a .5 release beyond bug fixes. I’d be surprised if they broke that now.

]]> By: David Naylor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69349 David Naylor Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:21:45 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69349 I think 3.5 would make sense, psychologically. A .1 release would have felt right if it was released a couple of months after 3.0. To the "upgrader", 3.5 feels more interesting after this amount of time, without being "inflated". (I'm guessing the release will be close to a year after 3.0 which was released on the 17th June 2008.) I think 3.5 would make sense, psychologically.

A .1 release would have felt right if it was released a couple of months after 3.0. To the “upgrader”, 3.5 feels more interesting after this amount of time, without being “inflated”. (I’m guessing the release will be close to a year after 3.0 which was released on the 17th June 2008.)

]]> By: fossnews.pl » Blog Archive » Firefox 3.1 jednak jako 3.5 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69346 fossnews.pl » Blog Archive » Firefox 3.1 jednak jako 3.5 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:00:24 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69346 [...] WiÄ™cej informacji w kompletnym artykule Firefox 3.5 nastÄ™pnym głównym wydaniem oraz materiaÅ‚ach źródÅ‚owych Firefox3.1/StatusMeetings/2009-03-04 i Next Firefox version bumped to 3.5, another beta to come. [...] [...] WiÄ™cej informacji w kompletnym artykule Firefox 3.5 nastÄ™pnym głównym wydaniem oraz materiaÅ‚ach źródÅ‚owych Firefox3.1/StatusMeetings/2009-03-04 i Next Firefox version bumped to 3.5, another beta to come. [...]

]]> By: Ed Burnette http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69345 Ed Burnette Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:11 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69345 Why not call it FireFox 4? The new JavaScript engine alone should warrant bumping the major version number, but when you add in the compatibility changes, calling it FF 4 makes sense. Why not call it FireFox 4? The new JavaScript engine alone should warrant bumping the major version number, but when you add in the compatibility changes, calling it FF 4 makes sense.

]]> By: J. McNair http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69344 J. McNair Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:45:20 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69344 Actually, I'd support this. Shiretoko has lots of major changes. There are deep infrastructure changes (Tracemonkey) and welcome interface changes (private browsing and further polish). If there were a public vote I'd weigh in as "for" the version bump. Fx 3.1/3.5 will look and act differently from 3.0 in a good way. If Moz Co. want to trumpet this, they can and should. This is coming from a guy who felt Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 were good, but "meh" releases. Loving 3.x. Actually, I’d support this. Shiretoko has lots of major changes. There are deep infrastructure changes (Tracemonkey) and welcome interface changes (private browsing and further polish). If there were a public vote I’d weigh in as “for” the version bump. Fx 3.1/3.5 will look and act differently from 3.0 in a good way. If Moz Co. want to trumpet this, they can and should.

This is coming from a guy who felt Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 were good, but “meh” releases. Loving 3.x.

]]> By: Mike Beltzner http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69343 Mike Beltzner Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:48:17 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69343 Hey Percy -- Could you please change "will" to "probably will" or "may"? The notes were perhaps written too strongly. At Wednesday's meeting we brought up the proposal for discussion, and it met no serious objection. The next step is to take the discussion to the mozilla.dev.planning newsgroup for further and broader feedback, which I plan to do today. Hey Percy –

Could you please change “will” to “probably will” or “may”? The notes were perhaps written too strongly. At Wednesday’s meeting we brought up the proposal for discussion, and it met no serious objection. The next step is to take the discussion to the mozilla.dev.planning newsgroup for further and broader feedback, which I plan to do today.

]]> By: Firefox 3.1 renamed 3.5 | Hardware 2.0 | ZDNet.com http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69342 Firefox 3.1 renamed 3.5 | Hardware 2.0 | ZDNet.com Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:43:44 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69342 [...] It’s taken Mozilla a little longer than they expected to exorcise the demons out of the next Firefox update, and given the extent of the update have decided to call it Firefox 3.5. [...] [...] It’s taken Mozilla a little longer than they expected to exorcise the demons out of the next Firefox update, and given the extent of the update have decided to call it Firefox 3.5. [...]

]]> By: Firefox 3.0.7 « Lothars Blog http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/03/next-firefox-version-bumped-to-35-another-beta-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-69341 Firefox 3.0.7 « Lothars Blog Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:21:05 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/?p=3042#comment-69341 [...] des Firefox soll übrigens nicht wie bisher geplant die Nummer 3.1 erhalten, sondern gleich einen Sprung auf 3.5 machen. Dies soll die vielen Änderungen, die geplant sind, [...] [...] des Firefox soll übrigens nicht wie bisher geplant die Nummer 3.1 erhalten, sondern gleich einen Sprung auf 3.5 machen. Dies soll die vielen Änderungen, die geplant sind, [...]

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