Comments on: Firefox 3 to feature native audio video support http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/ Your source for Firefox, Thunderbird, Camino, SeaMonkey news, tips and more. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:18:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Lo-Fi Manifesto « HeyJude http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-65365 The Lo-Fi Manifesto « HeyJude Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:09:13 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-65365 [...] Windows Media Player, QuickTime, or other audio/video players. (However, there is talk of native Ogg support within Firefox, meaning that Firefox could play Ogg audio without an additional plugin. At present, Firefox is [...] [...] Windows Media Player, QuickTime, or other audio/video players. (However, there is talk of native Ogg support within Firefox, meaning that Firefox could play Ogg audio without an additional plugin. At present, Firefox is [...]

]]> By: Native Ogg Vorbis and Theora support added for Firefox 3.1 - Mozilla Links http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-65218 Native Ogg Vorbis and Theora support added for Firefox 3.1 - Mozilla Links Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:09:35 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-65218 [...] Double, the developer responsible in great part for this implementation that has taken more than a year, has set a test page with a few videos (including the insanely cool SVG+video demo), and also [...] [...] Double, the developer responsible in great part for this implementation that has taken more than a year, has set a test page with a few videos (including the insanely cool SVG+video demo), and also [...]

]]> By: yman http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-63269 yman Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:38:13 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-63269 @kathleen madigan: Apparently you need to re-encode it as OGG Vorbis in order to use it with this tag in FF3. At least, that's the case for now until plug-ins for other formats are made available. On another note, I've been trying to use this tag, but it doesn't seem to work. "Warning: Unknown property 'autoplay'. Declaration dropped. Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player Line: 0" "Warning: Unknown property 'controls'. Declaration dropped. Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player Line: 0" "Error: document.getElementById("video").play is not a function Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player Line: 1" @kathleen madigan:
Apparently you need to re-encode it as OGG Vorbis in order to use it with this tag in FF3. At least, that’s the case for now until plug-ins for other formats are made available.

On another note, I’ve been trying to use this tag, but it doesn’t seem to work.

“Warning: Unknown property ‘autoplay’. Declaration dropped.
Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player
Line: 0″

“Warning: Unknown property ‘controls’. Declaration dropped.
Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player
Line: 0″

“Error: document.getElementById(”video”).play is not a function
Source File: file:///Videos/Video%20Player
Line: 1″

]]> By: kathleen madigan http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56989 kathleen madigan Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:27:55 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56989 What is native audio format ? How can I rework a file, the only copy of which is the CD...it is my material and I made the Cd but lost the original files in a hardrive crash Thanks What is native audio format ? How can I rework a file, the only copy of which is the CD…it is my material and I made the Cd but lost the original files in a hardrive crash

Thanks

]]> By: Mozilla si Opera vor sa simplifice integrarea filmelor in paginile Web at Liviu Mihai http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56212 Mozilla si Opera vor sa simplifice integrarea filmelor in paginile Web at Liviu Mihai Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:15:54 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56212 [...] multe informatii de la Opera si Mozilla. Build-ul experimental de Opera, pentru cei care vor sa testeze noul tag, poate fi descarcat de [...] [...] multe informatii de la Opera si Mozilla. Build-ul experimental de Opera, pentru cei care vor sa testeze noul tag, poate fi descarcat de [...]

]]> By: Nolar http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56018 Nolar Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:46:57 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-56018 Why reinvent the object tag ? To mimic IE and it's proprietary tags, like bgsound ? .... Why reinvent the object tag ?
To mimic IE and it’s proprietary tags, like bgsound ?
….

]]> By: Firefox 3 Alpha 8 review : Mozilla Links http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-54062 Firefox 3 Alpha 8 review : Mozilla Links Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:24:11 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-54062 [...] still make it for this releases but I’ve heard very little about its progress. Same goes for support for the video tag. I know it works, but I’m not sure if it’s ready for landing. I really hope both of [...] [...] still make it for this releases but I’ve heard very little about its progress. Same goes for support for the video tag. I know it works, but I’m not sure if it’s ready for landing. I really hope both of [...]

]]> By: Percy Cabello http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51121 Percy Cabello Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:46:20 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51121 <p>JP, there are a lot of image formats and that doesn't mean you need a plugin for each of them as most browsers support gif/jpeg/png. At the same time it doesn't mean other file formats like bmp, tif, crd, psd, xcf, etc are not relevant because of no native browser support but each has its use. </p> <p>The point is a common video file format is needed for the web and to avoid the problem with gif (patented/very limited) it has to be an open/free format. As mentioned, the specification allows other codecs.</p> <p>Regarding DRM I see it just the other way: I think DRM is walking to its future: the door.<br /> EMI has realized it and now its selling music in mp3 and aac format. I think we are still years from getting music in a more civilized format like vorbis but at least the walk away from DRM has started.</p> <p>Google will benefit of native video and audio support? So Yahoo!, AOL, won't?</p> JP, there are a lot of image formats and that doesn’t mean you need a plugin for each of them as most browsers support gif/jpeg/png. At the same time it doesn’t mean other file formats like bmp, tif, crd, psd, xcf, etc are not relevant because of no native browser support but each has its use.

The point is a common video file format is needed for the web and to avoid the problem with gif (patented/very limited) it has to be an open/free format. As mentioned, the specification allows other codecs.

Regarding DRM I see it just the other way: I think DRM is walking to its future: the door.
EMI has realized it and now its selling music in mp3 and aac format. I think we are still years from getting music in a more civilized format like vorbis but at least the walk away from DRM has started.

Google will benefit of native video and audio support? So Yahoo!, AOL, won’t?

]]> By: David Naylor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51118 David Naylor Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:32:52 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51118 Anything that can reduce the plug-in mess is a good thing IYAM. Make audio and video properly system independant by implementing native support in Firefox and Opera. As it is now, Mac (and linux?) users often end up not being able to see online video because "they are not supported"... Anything that can reduce the plug-in mess is a good thing IYAM. Make audio and video properly system independant by implementing native support in Firefox and Opera.

As it is now, Mac (and linux?) users often end up not being able to see online video because “they are not supported”…

]]> By: JP http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51117 JP Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:17:54 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-51117 Percy Cabello, I still do not see why including video support in Firefox should be a good idea: as I said there are dozens if not hundreds of codecs, there are many many problems and issues to get this right and there are programs that have those codecs and do get a large portion of this right. Why not provide a decent API for embedding them instead of starting from scratch? What is even more important is that video and audio will remain a moving target: DRM is getting more and more important and I am quite sure that additional codecs will become important. Why take all that load into a browser project? I am not usually arguing against additional features -- on the contrary. I have heard the "bloat" argument more than once with features that are directly browser and html related. But video/audio is just a special case of embedding. Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be MUCH more useful if finally Firefox would get a better multithreading model: one that does not freeze all your windows in many cases, one that does not crash all window if a plugin fails etc. And since Firefox has been branched, many features and additions have been rejected by whoever is in the position to reject community contributions. I am not against that, but that power should be used to allocate developer resources to the really important stuff, not something that obviously only Google wants. Percy Cabello, I still do not see why including video support in Firefox should be a good idea: as I said there are dozens if not hundreds of codecs, there are many many problems and issues to get this right and there are programs that have those codecs and do get a large portion of this right. Why not provide a decent API for embedding them instead of starting from scratch?

What is even more important is that video and audio will remain a moving target: DRM is getting more and more important and I am quite sure that additional codecs will become important. Why take all that load into a browser project? I am not usually arguing against additional features — on the contrary. I have heard the “bloat” argument more than once with features that are directly browser and html related. But video/audio is just a special case of embedding.

Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be MUCH more useful if finally Firefox would get a better multithreading model: one that does not freeze all your windows in many cases, one that does not crash all window if a plugin fails etc.

And since Firefox has been branched, many features and additions have been rejected by whoever is in the position to reject community contributions. I am not against that, but that power should be used to allocate developer resources to the really important stuff, not something that obviously only Google wants.

]]> By: Percy Cabello http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50792 Percy Cabello Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:40:12 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50792 JP, video is becoming more and more prevalent, just like image files did 15 years ago. The thing is there is currently a war of proprietary formats out there trying to lock developers and users in to their own tools and licenses, while there's a free open powerful alternative available. On the other hand, it's not like you have 10 developers and you are ordering one to take video support. This is open source and at least some part of development, fortunately, comes from volunteers who just step in to take on their own priorities or their view of what the priorities should be. Review, QA, approval and check in however will most likely require resources from Mozilla Corp. but it's a minimal cost for a much larger benefit. SVG, MathML, CSS they all have people working on it and improvement drops in every day from what I can see on the nightly reports. JP, video is becoming more and more prevalent, just like image files did 15 years ago. The thing is there is currently a war of proprietary formats out there trying to lock developers and users in to their own tools and licenses, while there’s a free open powerful alternative available.

On the other hand, it’s not like you have 10 developers and you are ordering one to take video support. This is open source and at least some part of development, fortunately, comes from volunteers who just step in to take on their own priorities or their view of what the priorities should be.

Review, QA, approval and check in however will most likely require resources from Mozilla Corp. but it’s a minimal cost for a much larger benefit.

SVG, MathML, CSS they all have people working on it and improvement drops in every day from what I can see on the nightly reports.

]]> By: JP http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50782 JP Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:23:12 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50782 What is the point of doing this instead of relying on proven platform-specific plugins that have all the codecs one could need? Why have yet another media player with its own set of codecs and problems? Why not invest the work into making CSS or MathML or SVG support more complete? These are things were native browser support is essential, not media playing. What is the point of doing this instead of relying on proven platform-specific plugins that have all the codecs one could need? Why have yet another media player with its own set of codecs and problems?

Why not invest the work into making CSS or MathML or SVG support more complete? These are things were native browser support is essential, not media playing.

]]> By: David Naylor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50760 David Naylor Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:11:36 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50760 This is really cool! Can't wait - and I hope Opera implement it too! I doubt IE will though... :( This is really cool! Can’t wait - and I hope Opera implement it too! I doubt IE will though… :(

]]> By: Fx 3 to Support Native Audio/Video « Firefox Extension Guru’s Blog http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50754 Fx 3 to Support Native Audio/Video « Firefox Extension Guru’s Blog Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:05:13 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50754 [...] News Source: Mozilla Links [...] [...] News Source: Mozilla Links [...]

]]> By: Percy Cabello http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50751 Percy Cabello Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:01:17 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50751 As video content becomes more and more common around I think it is time it receives the same treatment as image content. And of course an open format is the way to go. As video content becomes more and more common around I think it is time it receives the same treatment as image content. And of course an open format is the way to go.

]]> By: Ace_NoOne http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50750 Ace_NoOne Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:54:34 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-to-feature-native-audio-video-support/#comment-50750 Hmm, not sure whether this is good or bad - especially in light of recent bloatware discussions... Hmm, not sure whether this is good or bad - especially in light of recent bloatware discussions…

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