Comments on: Firefox Quick Find as it should (and used to) be http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/ Your source for Firefox, Thunderbird, Camino, SeaMonkey news, tips and more. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:39:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Chuck http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-65690 Chuck Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:19:38 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-65690 Thankyouthankyouthankyou! I've researched The Google seemingly for hours to find this answer and was becoming convinced it was an FF3 oversight that couldn't be rectified. Great job and much appreciated! Thankyouthankyouthankyou! I’ve researched The Google seemingly for hours to find this answer and was becoming convinced it was an FF3 oversight that couldn’t be rectified. Great job and much appreciated!

]]> By: Hans http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-64245 Hans Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:16:14 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-64245 Thanks a lot Johan! Just rephrasing this, hoping to get Google to notice it, because for me it just produced a lot of bad hits. Firefox 3 quick find can be repaired with /* Add Next/Previous Buttons to Quick Find Bar */ .findbar-container>* {display: -moz-box !important;} in the userChrome.css . This repairs quick find in Firefox 3. Thanks a lot Johan! Just rephrasing this, hoping to get Google to notice it, because for me it just produced a lot of bad hits.

Firefox 3 quick find can be repaired with
/* Add Next/Previous Buttons to Quick Find Bar */
.findbar-container>* {display: -moz-box !important;}
in the userChrome.css . This repairs quick find in Firefox 3.

]]> By: Johan http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-63800 Johan Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:41:29 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-63800 Had exactly the same problem as you Hans. Found this in another blog comment. Works in FF3 for me. "Firefox 3 needs /* Add Next/Previous Buttons to Quick Find Bar */ .findbar-container>* {display: -moz-box !important;} instead." Had exactly the same problem as you Hans. Found this in another blog comment. Works in FF3 for me.
“Firefox 3 needs

/* Add Next/Previous Buttons to Quick Find Bar */
.findbar-container>* {display: -moz-box !important;}

instead.”

]]> By: Hans http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-63722 Hans Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:14:56 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-63722 Does not work for me on Firefox 3. I just updated, it worked before and does not now. The userChrome.css is intact. Does not work for me on Firefox 3. I just updated, it worked before and does not now. The userChrome.css is intact.

]]> By: Martin http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62727 Martin Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:41:36 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62727 This works great....the only thing that has annoyed me about ff2 is now out of the way! Just remember to use the folder in documents and settings and NOT in program files (just so you dont make the same mistakes as I did) I added the line at the very end of the examplefile and renamed it....thats it! This works great….the only thing that has annoyed me about ff2 is now out of the way! Just remember to use the folder in documents and settings and NOT in program files (just so you dont make the same mistakes as I did)

I added the line at the very end of the examplefile and renamed it….thats it!

]]> By: userchrome.css tweaks « Help 4 Dummies http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62653 userchrome.css tweaks « Help 4 Dummies Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:10:44 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62653 [...] quick find always has buttons */ #FindToolbar > * {display: -moz-box; [...] [...] quick find always has buttons */ #FindToolbar > * {display: -moz-box; [...]

]]> By: Vuorovaikutus » Arkisto » [Ratkaisu] Ala etsiä tekstistä heti kirjoitettaessa ja Edellinen- ja Seuraava-napit http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62641 Vuorovaikutus » Arkisto » [Ratkaisu] Ala etsiä tekstistä heti kirjoitettaessa ja Edellinen- ja Seuraava-napit Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:51 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62641 [...] avaama työkalupalkki on typistetty pelkästään hakusanakentäksi. Koska haluan, että pikahakutoiminnon työkalupalkki sisältää samat valitsimet kuin normaali hakutoiminto (jonka voi avata esimerkiksi Control + F -pikanäppäimellä), olen lisännyt selaimen [...] [...] avaama työkalupalkki on typistetty pelkästään hakusanakentäksi. Koska haluan, että pikahakutoiminnon työkalupalkki sisältää samat valitsimet kuin normaali hakutoiminto (jonka voi avata esimerkiksi Control + F -pikanäppäimellä), olen lisännyt selaimen [...]

]]> By: brian http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62401 brian Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:36:16 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-62401 Works in firefox 3! Works in firefox 3!

]]> By: James Joseph http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-61272 James Joseph Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:55:21 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-61272 Steve, Why cant you try install the latest updates? Steve, Why cant you try install the latest updates?

]]> By: David Egolf http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-61149 David Egolf Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:26:10 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-61149 Actually, a good first step would be for ff developers to REMOVE this "feature" until it actually works. ff has not been good with "focus" for several releases. And no, it is not just Mac users. I have had the notorious / and ' problem on my HP pavilion laptop running XP for years. NEVER has the Tools/Options/Advanced button turned off the "feature". I did find a "secret" command which disables it, but it came back after the next major update and I lost the command. ARGH! Given that -F does the job, this running battle strikes me as similar to the religious wars between vi and EMACS users. (vi is an ancient unix editor with "modes" where clear keystrokes were sometimes commands based on which mode you were in. Emacs, on the other hand used the ESC, CTRL, and ALT keys to send commands to the editor.) I have always been an adherent to Emacs and the idea of a keystroke operating differently based on "focus" is not really all that appealing even if it did work. I also have problems using copy and paste with firefox and I am suspicious that this is due to the same problem with focus. My only add-ons are TabMixPlus and Firebug. Actually, a good first step would be for ff developers to REMOVE this “feature” until it actually works. ff has not been good with “focus” for several releases. And no, it is not just Mac users. I have had the notorious / and ‘ problem on my HP pavilion laptop running XP for years. NEVER has the Tools/Options/Advanced button turned off the “feature”.

I did find a “secret” command which disables it, but it came back after the next major update and I lost the command. ARGH!

Given that -F does the job, this running battle strikes me as similar to the religious wars between vi and EMACS users. (vi is an ancient unix editor with “modes” where clear keystrokes were sometimes commands based on which mode you were in. Emacs, on the other hand used the ESC, CTRL, and ALT keys to send commands to the editor.) I have always been an adherent to Emacs and the idea of a keystroke operating differently based on “focus” is not really all that appealing even if it did work.

I also have problems using copy and paste with firefox and I am suspicious that this is due to the same problem with focus.

My only add-ons are TabMixPlus and Firebug.

]]> By: Steve Kenyon http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57726 Steve Kenyon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:41:36 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57726 Firefox just updated itself, OK, next the browser rebooted, OK, then I installed Google toolbar, the box came up for page rank, enable/disable, I make a selection, the "finish" button pops up at the bottom of the box, I select it and the damn thing wont close the box, and it reappears every time i open firefox, There is no way to contact Google, can you HELP? Thanks, Steve Firefox just updated itself, OK, next the browser rebooted, OK, then I installed Google toolbar, the box came up for page rank, enable/disable, I make a selection, the “finish” button pops up at the bottom of the box, I select it and the damn thing wont close the box, and it reappears every time i open firefox, There is no way to contact Google, can you HELP?
Thanks,
Steve

]]> By: Majken "Lucy" Connor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57374 Majken "Lucy" Connor Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:57:47 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57374 Hi everyone, I saw the link to this post in feedback on support.mozilla.com, thanks for letting us know this exists, and of course we're sorry this issue is still occurring. A few things to start with: there have been several different causes for this issue and *most* of them have been fixed. This has been a very tricky issue to diagnose though, as the devs aren't hitting it, and no one who does see this issue has yet been able to provide the clue needed to track this down. It seems that the only reports left of this issue are from Mac users, or at least the majority anyway. What we need to diagnose this issue are people to get together who are seeing this issue to compare when it's happening, and what sort of systems it's happening on. Are you all using the same version of OSX? Do you all have the same extensions, or have some 3rd party software in common? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320465 is a tracking bug for all bugs filed to do with the quickfind bar coming up when it's unwanted. If you look at the depends on section, any numbers that don't have a line through them are still open. Note, it looks like a lot, but we make a practice of not resolving bugs fixed if the original reporter doesn't come back and tell us it works for them. It looks like some of those bugs should be fixed, and some of them are duplicates of each other. If you want to help, you could try to find a bug that looks like it's *exactly* what's happening to you, including your operating system and when it's happening, and see if you can come up with any new information to add. Please feel free to use a forum thread at http://support.mozilla.com/forum to coordinate with other users who are having this problem until you can find something in common. In fact that would be the preferable first step. Next step would be to back up your profile and install a Firefox 3 beta from http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Firefox_3_for_developers . Let us know if the problem still happens to you using those builds. If not, that will be a clue as well. Hi everyone,

I saw the link to this post in feedback on support.mozilla.com, thanks for letting us know this exists, and of course we’re sorry this issue is still occurring.

A few things to start with: there have been several different causes for this issue and *most* of them have been fixed. This has been a very tricky issue to diagnose though, as the devs aren’t hitting it, and no one who does see this issue has yet been able to provide the clue needed to track this down.

It seems that the only reports left of this issue are from Mac users, or at least the majority anyway. What we need to diagnose this issue are people to get together who are seeing this issue to compare when it’s happening, and what sort of systems it’s happening on. Are you all using the same version of OSX? Do you all have the same extensions, or have some 3rd party software in common?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320465 is a tracking bug for all bugs filed to do with the quickfind bar coming up when it’s unwanted. If you look at the depends on section, any numbers that don’t have a line through them are still open. Note, it looks like a lot, but we make a practice of not resolving bugs fixed if the original reporter doesn’t come back and tell us it works for them. It looks like some of those bugs should be fixed, and some of them are duplicates of each other.

If you want to help, you could try to find a bug that looks like it’s *exactly* what’s happening to you, including your operating system and when it’s happening, and see if you can come up with any new information to add.

Please feel free to use a forum thread at http://support.mozilla.com/forum to coordinate with other users who are having this problem until you can find something in common. In fact that would be the preferable first step.

Next step would be to back up your profile and install a Firefox 3 beta from http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Firefox_3_for_developers . Let us know if the problem still happens to you using those builds. If not, that will be a clue as well.

]]> By: kryssindor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57371 kryssindor Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:33:53 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57371 Percy, Thank you for your comment. I am confused just a bit by your terminology. "Focus" on a text box? Do you mean have the cursor IN the text box? Or, do you mean stare at the text box and use the power of my mind to will the frickin' apostrophe button to work in a sentence rather than bring up Quickfind? Because that's about what it's coming to. :) Ok, ok...My apologies. You are trying to help and I'm being flippant. But to make it perfectly clear, I DO have my cursor in a text field, such as this one (or for instance on MySpace or Google search) and the apostrophe will NOT work 99% of the time. There is that 1% miracle occurance when it does and it's totally random. And, again, I DO have the "find text" option OFF in my preferences. So, I will take your advice and contact Mozilla support and perhaps rather than re-explain the problem, I'll simply direct them to this thread. I don't think the point could be made any clearer. Percy,
Thank you for your comment. I am confused just a bit by your terminology. “Focus” on a text box? Do you mean have the cursor IN the text box? Or, do you mean stare at the text box and use the power of my mind to will the frickin’ apostrophe button to work in a sentence rather than bring up Quickfind? Because that’s about what it’s coming to.

:) Ok, ok…My apologies. You are trying to help and I’m being flippant. But to make it perfectly clear, I DO have my cursor in a text field, such as this one (or for instance on MySpace or Google search) and the apostrophe will NOT work 99% of the time. There is that 1% miracle occurance when it does and it’s totally random. And, again, I DO have the “find text” option OFF in my preferences.

So, I will take your advice and contact Mozilla support and perhaps rather than re-explain the problem, I’ll simply direct them to this thread. I don’t think the point could be made any clearer.

]]> By: Percy Cabello http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57251 Percy Cabello Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:52:27 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57251 Sunny and Krissindor, you have to focus on a text box for a slash or apostrophe to appear, otherwise it will prompt QuickFind since there's no purpose for entering any of these characters while not on a text box or textarea. If QuickFind appears even when on a text box then you should contact Firefox support (knowledge base, forums and now even live chat). It could be a conflict with an extension: http://support.mozilla.com Sunny and Krissindor, you have to focus on a text box for a slash or apostrophe to appear, otherwise it will prompt QuickFind since there’s no purpose for entering any of these characters while not on a text box or textarea.

If QuickFind appears even when on a text box then you should contact Firefox support (knowledge base, forums and now even live chat). It could be a conflict with an extension: http://support.mozilla.com

]]> By: Sunny http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57250 Sunny Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:43:33 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57250 This is the most outrageously annoying feature I've encountered on computers since 1981. HOW THE DEVIL DO I GET RID OF IT FOREVER AND EVER, AMEN??? Every time I want to add a forward slash, the danged thing pops up. I hit escape, it disappears, and the instant I try to enter a forward slash, there it is again. I truly despise it. HELP! HOW DO I KILL IT? Thanks. This is the most outrageously annoying feature I’ve encountered on computers since 1981. HOW THE DEVIL DO I GET RID OF IT FOREVER AND EVER, AMEN??? Every time I want to add a forward slash, the danged thing pops up. I hit escape, it disappears, and the instant I try to enter a forward slash, there it is again. I truly despise it. HELP! HOW DO I KILL IT?

Thanks.

]]> By: kryssindor http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57114 kryssindor Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:36 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-57114 This is laughable. I can't believe people are still posting about this yet FF does absolutely nothing about it. For the record, I have turned off my quick find option in preferences, but it still will "Find" stuff when I try to type contractions, notoriously when I'm in the google search text box and occasionally in text fields such as this one. Obviously it's working now, but it sometimes won't and I'll have to go back to writing like a podunk. The other strange thing is that when it occurs when I'm in a google search text field, I'll try three or four times to type with an apostrophe because all of a sudden it lets do it. MOZILLA/FF: WAKE THE HELL UP!!! NO ONE LIKES YOUR "FIND" "Quick key" It's LAME and USELESS! What? You think everyone on the internet is 1) illiterate and doesn't know what contractions are or 2) so stiffly and properly articulate that they refuse to use them?? NO! We are a world of contractions! You've bungled it! AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! * runs off screaming, flailing arms * This is laughable. I can’t believe people are still posting about this yet FF does absolutely nothing about it. For the record, I have turned off my quick find option in preferences, but it still will “Find” stuff when I try to type contractions, notoriously when I’m in the google search text box and occasionally in text fields such as this one. Obviously it’s working now, but it sometimes won’t and I’ll have to go back to writing like a podunk.

The other strange thing is that when it occurs when I’m in a google search text field, I’ll try three or four times to type with an apostrophe because all of a sudden it lets do it.

MOZILLA/FF: WAKE THE HELL UP!!! NO ONE LIKES YOUR “FIND” “Quick key” It’s LAME and USELESS! What? You think everyone on the internet is 1) illiterate and doesn’t know what contractions are or 2) so stiffly and properly articulate that they refuse to use them?? NO! We are a world of contractions! You’ve bungled it! AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! * runs off screaming, flailing arms *

]]> By: J http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56603 J Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:34 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56603 None of the aforementioned "fixes" work! Im doing exactly as they say, and I still get the damned "Quick Search" field when I type a slash, apostrophe or the f key. Im having to cut and paste my fs!! I am *thisclose* to going back to IE! None of the aforementioned “fixes” work! Im doing exactly as they say, and I still get the damned “Quick Search” field when I type a slash, apostrophe or the f key. Im having to cut and paste my fs!! I am *thisclose* to going back to IE!

]]> By: anon http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56481 anon Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:27:35 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56481 bizarrely, this fixed it for me: tools -> options -> advanced -> general -> check the box next to "search for text when i start typing" bizarrely, this fixed it for me:

tools -> options -> advanced -> general -> check the box next to “search for text when i start typing”

]]> By: Frank http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56266 Frank Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:08:00 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-56266 Take that stupid useless no good God forsaken quick find thing off please. Take that stupid useless no good God forsaken quick find thing off please.

]]> By: raj http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55560 raj Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:35:00 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55560 thanks for this post ! wtf were they even thinking...having a crappy find system for a great browser... thanks for this post !
wtf were they even thinking…having a crappy find system for a great browser…

]]> By: weird biz http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55358 weird biz Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:11:23 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55358 I find quick find to be incredibly annoying. I just dont get why everytime I type .. well I cant even type them or itll go to it... I just dont get it. why in the hell would that make any sense to have that be an auto feature. I find quick find to be incredibly annoying. I just dont get why everytime I type .. well I cant even type them or itll go to it… I just dont get it. why in the hell would that make any sense to have that be an auto feature.

]]> By: K http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55272 K Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:02:08 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-55272 How do I open more than one tab. Among all your instructions I can not find how to open more than one tab. Advice. How do I open more than one tab. Among all your instructions I can not find how to open more than one tab.

Advice.

]]> By: Torben http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54762 Torben Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:37:08 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54762 Tom: In a later post on this thread I noted that the link I posted actually addresses a different issue. As Jim said, it's all in the Help anyway. Torben Tom: In a later post on this thread I noted that the link I posted actually addresses a different issue.

As Jim said, it’s all in the Help anyway.

Torben

]]> By: Jim http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54751 Jim Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:31:45 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54751 The Help folder of Firefox tells you how to turn it off, but I'll tell you anyway. 1. Go to Tools->Options 2. Go to Advanced 3. Stay on the General tab 4. Click on the checked "Search For Text While I'm Typing" box. Hope that helps! Jim The Help folder of Firefox tells you how to turn it off, but I’ll tell you anyway.
1. Go to Tools->Options
2. Go to Advanced
3. Stay on the General tab
4. Click on the checked “Search For Text While I’m Typing” box.
Hope that helps!
Jim

]]> By: Tom http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54327 Tom Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:52:26 +0000 http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2006/10/firefox-quick-search-as-it-should-and-used-to-be/#comment-54327 OK, how do I turn OFF "quick find" in Firefox 2.0?? It's driving me batty. Specifically when I try to type a posting in Google Notes and type a ', the darned quick find becomes active. Torben posted a link he says tells how to turn it off, but all I find under that link is a bunch of posts from people just as frustrated as I am with it! -- Cheers, Tom OK, how do I turn OFF “quick find” in Firefox 2.0?? It’s driving me batty. Specifically when I try to type a posting in Google Notes and type a ‘, the darned quick find becomes active.

Torben posted a link he says tells how to turn it off, but all I find under that link is a bunch of posts from people just as frustrated as I am with it! — Cheers, Tom

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